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How Do I Get a Copy of the Condo Docs?

Monday, February 28th, 2011

by Sean Hess (Sean@StAugTeam.com), Broker and Manager for St. Augustine Team Realty (www.StAugustineTeamRealty.com).   Join us on Facebook.

Getting condo docs doesn't need to be a hassle! Buy here at Beachers Lodge: we have the docs on file!

Getting condo docs doesn't need to be a hassle! Buy here at Beachers Lodge: we have the docs on file!

So you’re thinking of buying a condo but you want to see the condo docs first.

  I can show you how to do that (at least locally).

But first I’m going to back up a bit. 

If you are buying a condo in Florida the law mandates that you get a copy of the condo docs to review prior to closing.  If it is a re-sale condo (i.e., not brand new) you have three business days to review these documents.  If you do not get a copy of these documents you can cancel the agreement with no penalty.  You also have the three days to review what is called the “Condo Governance Form,” the “Frequently Asked Questions,” and the condo’s most recent financial statement.

So you’ve got the best of both worlds here.  If you get the docs early, great.  But if you don’t get them, you don’t have to close.

Alright, now how to get the docs.  This applies to St. Johns County.

In St. Johns County, Florida, here’s how you find Condo Docs (or Homeowners Association docs) online:

  • Go to the Clerk of Courts website at http://www.clk.co.st-johns.fl.us/
  • Place your pointer over RECORDING and click online records search
  • Put the name of the condominium community in the “Name” box, and then next to the “Document” box I click the gray box, and then scroll down and check the items between (85) and (91), most of which have to do with Covenants and Restrictions (the fancy name for condo or HOA docs).

This “Name” box is the trickiest part.  On occasion communities are chartered under different names, or with a name that’s a bit more elaborate, and the computer won’t spit it out.

Another sticky point: covenants and restrictions filed before 1990 aren’t online.  To get those you have to go to your real estate agent or the title company that will be handling the closing, or physically go into the Clerk of Courts office.  Another alternative is to get them from the property management company, but this will cost you $$$, whereas the title company that is doing the closing will typically provide them for free.

Homes for Sale in St. Augustine: How Can I View Homeowner’s Association Docs Online?

Wednesday, December 1st, 2010

by Sean Hess (Sean@StAugTeam.com), Broker and Manager for St. Augustine Team Realty (www.StAugustineTeamRealty.com).   Join us on Facebook.

So you’re looking to buy, but you want to read the homeowner’s association docs (or condo docs) first.

In real estate circles it’s pretty easy to get these docs.  We either have them on file, can get them quickly from a title company, or in most cases we can get them online from the Clerk of Courts.

If you’re sitting in Montana, however, you’re going to need to go online.

In St. Johns County, Florida, here’s how you find HOA docs online:

  • Go to the Clerk of Courts website at http://www.clk.co.st-johns.fl.us/
  • Place your pointer over RECORDING and click online records search
  • For this example I’m going to try and find the docs for Royal St. Augustine.  So I type in Royal St Augustine in the “Name” box, and then next to the “Document” box I click the gray box, and then scroll down and check the items between (85) and (91), most of which have to do with Covenants and Restrictions (the fancy name for HOA docs).
Searching on the Clerk of Courts Site

Searching on the Clerk of Courts Site

When I do this I only come up with three docs, all amendments to various HOA types in Royal St. Augustine.  But it turns out the first one is what I’m looking for…it appears that the covenants and restrictions were completely redone in 2009 for Royal St. Augustine, and because it’s been done after the fact, it’s classified as an “amendment” in the county records.  The actual title is “Amended and Restated Declaration of Master Covenants and Restrictions for Royal St. Augustine.” 

Now the neighborhood I’m really interested in is Keswick (a neighborhood within the neighborhood of Royal St. Augustine), and I want to see if any restrictions are on file specific to those homes.   So now I just type Keswick in the “Name” box.  Nothing comes up, and neither does anything for “Keswick Royal St Augustine.”  So there proabably aren’t any restrictions specific to Keswick that are different from the rest of Royal St. Augustine.  If I really need to know I call one of my friends in the title biz.

I also tried “Florida Club,” which is a set of condos inside Royal St. Augustine: when I typed the name in the condo docs came up no problem.

A few notes: covenants and restrictions filed before 1990 aren’t online.  To get those you have to go to a real estate or title source, or physically go into the Clerk of Courts office and view them on microfiche.  Also, as in the example above, a neighborhood within a neighborhood may have its own special set of docs so you may have to dig deeper.  In some cases both the condo docs and the HOA docs govern at the same time (Conquistador Condos in St. Augustine Shores, for example) so you have to look at both sets of docs.

In some communities the actual name of the neighborhood is different than what is recorded.  Palencia is known as “Marshall Creek” in the records, while Hidden Lakes is recorded both as “Rolling Hills” and “Chelsea Woods.”

Lastly, some neighborhoods actually have covenants and restrictions on file but the HOA was disbanded at some point or never established, so there is no authority to enforce any covenants (St. Augustine South and Creekside come to mind)…and the residents like it that way.